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It’s being reported in the NYT that the Obama administration is seeking the broad ability to require all providers of Internet based communications services to enable government intercept of any and all communications as government sees fit.


It’s not bad enough that this nation is leaking the private data of citizens via careless business operations without a care. No. That’s not good enough. Now government officially wants in on the act and is sure to be at least, if not more abusive than the private sector.

This country keeps going the wrong dam way on everything under the sun. I’ve been known to rant about dumb Americans. As it turns out our national leadership is at the top of the heap when it comes to being dumb.


Comments on: "An End to Privacy – What’s Left of It" (9)

  1. There is a degree of over-reaction to this. The proposal is not to allow unfettered government snooping. It is to conform the law with regard to wiretapping and eavesdropping, both of which require judicial approval following a showing of what is being investigated and why nothing short of wiretapping or eavesdropping can obtain the required evidence would work.

    Before we get all excited about this, keep in mind that many very serious criminal conspiracies have been uncovered by such court orders but that criminal enterprises now have more tools available than wired telephones to communicate among each other. Some means of intercepting those communications, based on a proper showing, must be permitted.

    The fault is usually not in the laws, but in those assigned to carry them out.

    • I don’t think we need more laws like this which lessen our privacy.

      We already know who the biggest lawbreakers are and government has refused to do a thing about it. This is a big crock.

      Not to mention you can bet this will further exapand the operations of the pentagon in their domestic intelligence role which until Bush / Cheney / Rumsfeld was almost non existent. They’ve grown from nothing to being the biggest and most influential player in domestic intelligence. Almost totally without notice. We could do without having the DOD nutbags running domestic intelligence. But that is exactly what we have. With backdoor DOD funding.

  2. Thanks for the report, TPC. Having read through the NY Times piece, it seems to me that this is more of an extension of the 1994 Communications Assistance to Law Enforcement Act to allow for internet usage in addition to cell phone and land lines, seeing as how our technology has expanded since then. In the examples they cite, regarding a drug cartel and the failed Times Square bomber, communications were over the internet versus cell phone. So, in my eyes, this is a necessary move.

    I do feel a bit wary about the back-door security issues (the so-called holes that could be created which could allow hackers in), and am also concerned about the costs that will be extended to service providers, but overall I don’t see this development as a new and sweeping violation of our privacy, but rather an extension to a law already in place. Therefore, I think it doesn’t quite warrant (pardon my pun) the sense of alarm and doom pervading your post. But then, perhaps that is just me.

    (EDIT – Oops, it appears that Barth feels the same way – I didn’t see his comment until after I submitted mine).

    • Lis: I am planning on having you post as me when I can’t. I was never a Republican, (though I have a will vote for some—not in races that have to do with the national government), but otherwise, I find us often in agreement.

    • You shouldn’t be buying this Lis without being able to see or know what’s in the package. And you never will. This is a ruse all the way.

      And you’ll pay for it twice.

      Once in your taxes and again in the cost of services where companies implement the government policy, charges you for it and makes a little more money as well. The perfect swindle.

      OH yeah. I almost forgot. It discourages you and me from offering a dissenting opinion.

  3. I get Barth’s point and LisB’s, but there is no privacy anymore.

    I watch these dramas on TV all the time. Wiretapping anything from cell phones to the internet is the norm. Videos of individuals are being taken every second of ever hour of every day from public and private surveillance.

    Satellite cameras can relay pix of every inch on our planet.

    These new GPS units seem to record all travel of the user.

    And credit card companies made purchase records of every single thing we purchase.

    Yeah, privacy is lost.

    • My point exactly Dick. Government hasn’t shown the least interest in protecting citizens privacy.

      On the contrary, government has permitted it and in the same vein government is in large measure responsible for abetting the criminals who have taken advantage of this lax protection of our privacy.

      I know I read the numbers on this with the compromise, loss and exploitation of private information costing us north of $50 billion last year and is expected to top $100 billion this year. It’s gets chalked up to the cost of doing business. We all know that is a crock. We pay for this in the end no matter how you slice it. It’s the same old song. Government and big business are in league to benefit themselves and don’t give a hoot that you and I are the losers this involuntary three way.

      • Then the private corporations SELL the damn info.

        • Of course. That is the precise goal being sought. Always is and always will be. A great many people have yet to accept that fact and take proactive steps to counter it.

          This is one of the primary reasons I’ve refused to buy into the marketing of Facebook and others who would have us herded into an illusory perception of their making.

          I detest the idea that as social animals we are so easily taken advantage of by those who have no qualms about their predatory actions. This unmistakable predator prey relationship is everywhere and the vast majority is completely unaware of it. The marketing presents a view which is attractive to our social nature but in fact is a complete falsehood by intent. I find this creepy as hell.

          The Internet provides for the possible manipulation of society on a massive scale. It is quite evident that powerful interests are moving to promote that very thing and are attacking us from several directions to that end. Just as sure as can be we are lambs being led to the slaughter. I have no question of this. All the actions of government and business point to the same notion of seeking control of ideas and information.

          The extreme views of those persons who we have watched rise to prominence could not have been achieved except by the manipulation of information. We rail against this because we recognize the lies contained in the message but maybe don’t appreciate the extent of the larger social manipulation taking place.

          Or if, on an individual basis some of us do, we are powerless to combat the forces which are behind it and which are very skillfully and very successfully manipulating public opinion.

          It is scary to me to watch an entire society be fooled into drinking a poison concoction like we are seeing. You just know, intuitively, worse is yet to come.

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